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It's Still Pedophilia by AnScathMarcach It's Still Pedophilia by AnScathMarcach
The fact that this stamp has any backlash at all should make anyone lose all faith in humanity.

I've been observing some drama within some people I watch involving what exactly counts as child porn and pedophilia. I've seen some people with a pretty level head on their shoulders, but I've also seen a few who think there's nothing at all wrong with depicting underaged characters in sexual situations "as long as it's just a drawing and the characters are fictional". As if there's a difference.

Is there a difference?

You're still creating, looking at, being aroused by, and getting yourself off to, the figures of children. Child bodies. You're sexually attracted to child bodies. You are a pedophile.

But is it really illegal? YES.



According to THE Child Pornography Law:

"Any depiction of a child engaged in sexually explicit conduct may be considered child pornography. This can include photographs, digital images, computer-generated images, drawings, videos, or animations, among others."

18 U.S. Code § 1466A - Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children:

(a)In General.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—                    

(1)                        

  • (A)    depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and 
  • (B)    is obscene; or                                                                

(2)                      

  •   (A)    depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and  
  •    (B)    lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;  or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.                                

(b)Additional Offenses.—Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly possesses a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—                    

(1)                  

  •      (A)        depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and                       
  • (B)      is obscene; or                                                                

(2)                        

  • (A)   depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and                                                
  • (B)   lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A(b)(2), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.                                

©Nonrequired Element of Offense.  It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.

www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/tex…


There may even be a case against the "Aged Up" argument:
"This also applies if the person in the depiction is actually an adult but appears to be a minor. Moreover, altering an image or video so that it appears to depict a minor may also be child pornography (for example, editing the face of a minor onto the nude body of an adult in an image or video)." Which is all aging up is: Putting a child into an adult body just so you can "legally" sexualize them.
- www.hg.org/child-pornography.h…

"Under the Coroners and Justice Act 2009, sections 62-68 made it a criminal offence to be in possession of “prohibited images” of children. This is defined closely to require that the image is first grossly offensive and obscene, and pornographic for purposes of sexual arousal. It also requires that the focus is principally on the child’s genitals and sexual regions, or includes one of various sexual acts either with the child or in the presence of the child. It also covers images that depict sexual activity in the presence of or between children and an animal, whether dead, alive, or imaginary.

The law covers still and moving images, and can include cartoons, drawings, and manga-style images.
- theconversation.com/when-a-dra…

Even DeviantArt has rules against uploading artwork of sexualized minors, even fictional, even under a mature filter:

Underage models

We cannot allow any nude works featuring individuals under the age of 18, nor may the works depict these individuals in a 'sexually driven' manner such as posing in lingerie or displaying a sexually suggestive or provocative pose.

This prohibition is for legal reasons; the laws in the United States are the governing laws in regards to all submissions regardless of the deviant's country of origin. Photographs which are suspected of depicting a minor in this manner will be temporarily suspended from public view and proper legal documentation (as outlined above) will be demanded while photographs which clearly depict a minor (including toddlers, preteens, and teenagers) in this manner will be removed without notice.

Submissions of a non- photographic nature which clearly depict a minor, fictional character or otherwise, either nude or in a sexually driven manner will be removed and deleted without notice as they come to the attention of the staff."


about.deviantart.com/policy/et…


Debunking the common points against this stamp:



1. "This is just "violent video game" argument" The difference here is that the average gamer isn't suffering from some uncontrollable urge to murder and has to kill characters in violent games in order to relieve themselves or get pleasure from murdering. 

However, someone who watches porn does it ONLY for the sake of getting off to it. Nobody watches porn "Just because it's fun to watch" or "just to play a game", they watch it ONLY for the sexual gratification. That's the very DEFINITION of porn. Anyone who goes out looking for porn of children, real or fake, they are a pedophile because they seek out sexual gratification from children.

2. "That law only applies to drawings of REAL children!" In WHAT situation has that ever happened anywhere? Since when does someone see a random person on the street and think "I like that person, I'm going to go home right now and draw hentai of that real, living person for me and others to get off to"? With the exception of maybe celebrities, this is not a thing people do unless you're a clinically insane, creepy individual. Why would that even need to be mentioned in a law with such priority if it only applied to those people?

For that matter, what IF someone drew porn of a real child? By your logic, 
how would a drawing of a real child be personally harming them? Unless the person was an old-school painter who had to set up the scene in real life in order to draw it, they're only using their imagination and never put the child in harm's way, right? Or for example what if a pedophile downloaded a photo of some random kid and photoshopped them into a sexual situation? Again by your logic, the real child in the photo was never harmed and it's "fictional" and "just art". Then how does the law apply?

Hentai (drawn/animated porn) is just as much considered porn as real photos and videos, even when it's of fictional characters, so why is it different for images of children? If real photos are wrong, then artwork is also wrong. If not, then only real pornographic photos of normal adults should be marked as NSFW and pornographic artwork should have no filter whatsoever and be plastered for the world (children, professional environments, people who don't want to see it) to see and they can't do anything about it because it's just a drawing, and it's a fictional character.

3. "But fictional child porn helps and protects real children by giving pedophiles an outlet!" First of all, what? Second: Does it help drug addicts to give them more drugs? Does it help alcoholics to give them more alcohol? Does giving any addict more of whatever they're addicted to ever help or cure their addiction? Letting pedophiles have access to child porn is not going to help them or stop them. They're still going to rape and molest children and desire it whether their porn is real or fake. Fake child porn is not going to stop them. In fact, fake child porn is just as much a part of the porn industry, of which there is demand for. Fake child porn keeps the real child porn industry and demand alive.



Bottom line is, if you are attracted to the bodies and figures of children, let alone actively seek out porn of them, you ARE a pedophile. There is no way around it.

Pedophiles do need help. But they're not going to change if you give them what they want.


There are NO "harmless" pedophiles.

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:iconschwarzer--ritter:
Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
It depends on whether you believe in gateway drug theory.

If gateway drug theory applies here, then child porn drawings will make paedophiles more paedophile and lead to real child porn and molestation. Real child porn does harm children and paying someone to do it is rape the same way hiring an assassin is murder.

If it does not apply, child porn drawing may lead to less real children getting harmed. Their money is the only way you can really get the child porn industry.
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Read the description.

Child porn art IS child porn, and IS part of the porn industry. The same way drawn and animated porn of normal adult characters and fetishes is porn just as videos and photos are.
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Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
I did not say it was not.
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FriendlyHougen Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
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LopsidedFrosty345 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2017
I agree 100%.
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PCMusicLover Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate pedophiles and I hope they die. But, I'd rather them look at child porn that is drawn. Plus, when a child is rape and recorded, the child is harmed and the child is broken. With a drawing, it is literally just a drawing. Also, first amendment... 
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
In what way is having sex with children related to freedom of speech?

If you make child hentai legal, there would be no reason to keep real photographed child porn illegal.
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PCMusicLover Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is not freedom of speech but it is freedom of expression. And in real child porn real children are harmed and hurt
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Why should you feel the need to "express yourself" by putting children in sexual situations and getting off to them unless you are a pedophile, in which case you SHOULD be arrested?
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PCMusicLover Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So they don't commit acts on real children. Some pedophiles control themselves. I think the others should be killed off though
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SmugglingGays Featured By Owner Edited Apr 28, 2017  New Deviant  Photographer
You seem to fail to remember that child porn of ANY KIND is illegal. Someone who has been molested, raped. assaulted, etc can see these pictures can become traumatized all over again. Any form of it is wrong, and should not be encouraged. 
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Giving them outlets to exercise their fantasies does not help them. Pedophilia is a harmful disorder which needs help and therapy with the end goal of changing the person.

Giving pedophiles a way to jack off to children helps them as much as giving more drugs to a drug addict or more booze to an alcoholic would help cure their addiction.
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ChlawBlaw Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017
Those who jack off to child porn in any shape or form needs help

End. Of. Story.
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PonyCharade Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2017
Assuming they know the character is under aged.  Amy Rose for instance most people don't even realize her canonical age and it coplicates things further that she wished her body 2 years older and most people don't know that either. Most people that fap to her just think 'pink = sexy color'

Fantasy complicates things to a case by case bases.
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Abcodia Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
It is,indeed,pedophillic,but there's nothing morally wrong with it(at least not by my standards).

The reason as to why child porn is (justly) illegal is that children have to be harmed in the process of its creation,not because it's revolting.And owning/sharing such images is also illegal because it incentivizes the making.

And the whole "Artwork is not wrong,therefore > Any kind of sexual artwork must be filterless" thought experiment to justify the moral equivalency of IRL child pornography and drawn CP is full of falacious thinking. You know (or should know,anyway) they're not "restricted" because of the same reasons. Normal drawn porn and IRL porn are "censored" in the same way because the inherent characteristic that makes both of them wrong in some way is that they are made to arouse,which is not desirable in most contexts. However, the thing that makes CP wronger than vanilla porn to the extent that it's illegal is that it necessitates harming a child in order to be made.That quality is absent from drawn CP.
UNLESS,that is, you want to argue the consumption of drawn CP is neither neutral nor a diminishing factor to a pedophile's sexual urges,but rather,it increases the chance they'll do the deed in some way. I don't know much about sexual psychology,so I can't really tell either way.I might do some "research" (basically getting a few articles off google scholar, follow through the citations and do a layman's analysis of the work) into it later.

Before anything is said in response,I'm not arguing that pedophillia in any of its manifestations should be socially acceptable/normalized or anything like that.
And the reason as to why I've not adressed it being illegal is because the law isn't a holy book,as it is mutable and it's not supposed to be God's undeniable word and thus,it is a  citizen's right,nay,duty, to question it.I've made it into a moral argument because laws have a base in morality. Plus not every region has the same laws.

I'll be glad to hear back from you.

Holy fuck I sound like a pedant.
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KawaiiKuroNeko21 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with this.

Splatoon-wise, the Inklings are not characters. they are a character-species. as seen with Captain Cuttlefish, they age. so...Splatoon doesn't count as nasty-ass kiddie34...as long as you depict them as 18+

unless I missed something...if so, please inform me.
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Stormourner Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2017
let's not forget about The Serbian Film, going against the pedophile artists isn't easy because they have fans who will defend them with all anger and ferocity
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Kissasheep Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If a kid told me they are lowkey sexually active, I would run to Mount Everest and back
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DoveAngel8 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
this is free to use on DA right?
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep
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DoveAngel8 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
thanks
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Little-rolling-bean Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
This actually has a good point. Most of these stamps just say "ew its gross ur sick if u support it". You have actual facts!
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
If you're sexually attracted to the appearance of a child's body, or like to sexualize children, you are a pedophile.
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Jm-3-02 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016
Even if these people think that it's better to put them behind bars instead of helping them for having a mental illness, how does that invalidate their argument? The argument here is that child porn, real or not, is wrong. Nobody cares if it's not fucking real. Also, no, censorship is not the solution because it would still be available for sick individuals to masturbate to it, which would make their fantasies run wild. You know what happens when pedos keep fantasizing. They fantasize so much that their fantasies are not enough. It baffles me how people pretend like this isn't a serious issue when we've had people like PaulAndAmy and other registered sex offenders on this website.
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Queen-of-Ice101 Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2017  Student Writer
I disagree. If you are sexually stimulated by porn, there is millions and millions of pictures and videos and stories of consenting adults involving themselves in sexual activities. Every race and gender and situation imaginable, there is no limit to what you can find if porn is something you are into. 

However, when you are dealing with Shota/Loli, those who watch this are getting off on the sight of underage children in sexual situations. Those who watch this are not watching it just because it is sex, but because it is specifically sex with underage children. This particular genre would no even exist if it wasn't for the fact that they want to watch children in sexual situations, it's not just random people they want to see, it's underage and underdeveloped children specifically. 

The very definition of pedophile is a adult who is sexually attracted to underage children. It doesn't matter if you are acting on that urge by buying and producing child porn with live children or you are getting off by watching Loli and Shota, you are still attracted to and excited by seeing underage children in various sexual situations. Thus you are a pedophile, both according to the very definition of the word and the law. 
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agnosticdragon Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2016
We have no idea how many pedophiles there are, or how many of them are sexually active or looking at child pornography. Very few of them come out, for reasons that should be obvious.
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ChametzKiwi Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
I agree with you,pedophilia is pedophilia,whether if the kid is real or not.
Although I think real Child Porn is worse.
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PrimeDrinksBleach Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017  Student
Y E S

I H A V E B E E N L O O K I N G F O R S O M E O N E L I K E Y O U
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ChametzKiwi Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
eh
why?
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PrimeDrinksBleach Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017  Student
I FUCKING HATE PEDOPHILIA

IT'S CHILD PORN

IT'S ILLEGAL

GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU AGREE :)
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ChametzKiwi Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
ah I see
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PrimeDrinksBleach Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017  Student
Yep
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Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
It depends on whether you believe in Gateway Drug Theory.

If you do believe in gateway drugs, consuming child porn will inevitably lead to consuming real child porn. And paying someone to commit a crime is basically the same as committing the crime.

If you do not believe in gateway drugs, then fake child porn could lower the amount of money the child porn industry earns.
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The point here is that drawn child porn IS child porn.
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Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
My point is that watching child porn is rape the same way as hiring an assassin is murder.

My second point, if Gateway Drug Theory is accurate, than drawn child porn is going to make paedophiles more paedophile and is therefore supporting child rape.
However, if Gateway Drug Theory is wrong, then drawn child porn prevents rape.
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Let me ask you this then: do you consider hentai (even of adult characters) to be porn?
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Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Of course hentai is porn.

But the question should be: Is someone reading hentai a rapist?
Even people who do not watch hentai have heard about the tentacles.
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Hentai is any kind of animated or drawn porn.

So if hentai is porn, how are drawings of children in sexual situations which are made for people to get off to, not child porn?
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Schwarzer--Ritter Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
I did not deny that it is.

What I said is that your stance on it should depend on your stance on gateway drug theory.
If drawn porn causes actual rapes, it should be condemned.
But if does not make paedophiles more paedophile, it might actually prevent rape. Even if only by making child porn that actually involves children less profitable.

Do people who watch porn constantly need harder stuff? Are there studies on it? As an asexual, I can not really relate to that.
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AnScathMarcach Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Pedophilia is about more than rape. Any sexual contact between and adult and a minor is pedophilia.
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IStandWithLogicOnly Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2016  Student General Artist
Sex itself is evil! And nasty.....
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AddisontheShinyAzelf Featured By Owner Edited Nov 12, 2016  Student Artist
true. so very very true



honestly i hate it when people will support/defend lolicon
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