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This is something I see a disheartening amount of people forget.
People want to take away the rights of certain people to have certain opinions and beliefs because those opinions are "harmful". Ultimately, who decides what beliefs are harmful and what should and shouldn't be allowed to be said? You may think now "Oh, if we silence all the Christians the world will be a better place without their awful views", but what if the public view changed and one day you were the one with the opinion that was considered harmful? Well now your beliefs are illegal and there's nothing you can do about it, and YOU set the precedent!
Take the Indiana Law for example. Everyone thinks it says "Christians specifically are now allowed to discriminate against gays specifically just because they're gay. JUST like the laws against colored people before civil rights", when it really says "Anyone has the right not to be forced by the law to do something they think is wrong", like a Christian hosting or catering to a gay wedding, or producing pro-gay material. By rejecting this law, you're saying you think a gay person should be forced by law to produce something pro-traditional marriage or pro-christian. You just gave up your right to not serve a Christian for any reason, and guess what, YOU set the precedent!
Just saying.
People want to take away the rights of certain people to have certain opinions and beliefs because those opinions are "harmful". Ultimately, who decides what beliefs are harmful and what should and shouldn't be allowed to be said? You may think now "Oh, if we silence all the Christians the world will be a better place without their awful views", but what if the public view changed and one day you were the one with the opinion that was considered harmful? Well now your beliefs are illegal and there's nothing you can do about it, and YOU set the precedent!
Take the Indiana Law for example. Everyone thinks it says "Christians specifically are now allowed to discriminate against gays specifically just because they're gay. JUST like the laws against colored people before civil rights", when it really says "Anyone has the right not to be forced by the law to do something they think is wrong", like a Christian hosting or catering to a gay wedding, or producing pro-gay material. By rejecting this law, you're saying you think a gay person should be forced by law to produce something pro-traditional marriage or pro-christian. You just gave up your right to not serve a Christian for any reason, and guess what, YOU set the precedent!
Just saying.
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The act of discrimination is not a right. Saying discriminatory things is a right under freedom of speech. They are two very different things.
Let me preface the rest of this by saying I'm a Progressive Christian, I've been a Christian for almost 25 years, my family is Christian, I attended Christian schools for pre-K through 12th with daily Bible study and weekly chapel services, etc. My uncle is even a Gideon.
This stamp's statement is the exact reason why all the Evangelicals need to stop trying to make the US a theocracy by wanting our laws to be defined by Christian standards (the definition of marriage, wanting Creationism to be taught in public school science classes, business owners like Hobby Lobby's CEO refusing to cover contraceptives under the company's health insurance, etc.). The only reason they're okay with that is because it's their religion that's behind it.
If another religion suddenly became the vastly dominant one in this country, these same Christians would have a screaming mimi about how church and state are supposed to be separate.
As for these asinine "religious liberty" laws, let them be struck down. The one in Indiana WAS penned with the intention of allowing business owners to refuse the LGBT community but officially they framed it much more vaguely to try and gloss over that fact. Being denied service because of sexuality is no different than being denied service because of race, gender, or religious belief, and it's ignorant and wrong in all cases.
Discrimination is unconstitutional no matter who it's toward or why. If nixing that law also makes people unable to refuse service to Christians as well, that's a good thing (even some of the Christians I've encountered here on dA who are some of the most hateful, horrible human beings I've ever had the displeasure of talking to
)! Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Satanist, straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, poly, asexual, black, white, brown, male, female, young, old, disabled, whatever. And yes, even racists, sexists, misogynists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, and bigots of all kinds. They shouldn't be denied service, either, no matter how big of an asshole they may be.
As for the wedding cake thing, just making a cake for a gay couple isn't condoning anything any more than me doing a wedding portrait illustration of a gay couple or designing their invitations would be condoning it (I'm not opposed to it anyway because the only sins I worry about are my own when the other people are both consenting and not harming themselves or anyone else). The bakery's name wouldn't be on the cake anyway. As for the couple, I wouldn't have pursued it after being turned away because frankly I wouldn't want somebody like that to make my cake! I'd rather give my money to a business that doesn't discriminate based on their religious beliefs.
And don't even get me started on Hobby Lobby and the contraceptives. The guy is an idiot for objecting because he "believed" birth control pills were abortive even though medical science couldn't be more clear on how they work and what they do. His employees' general health and sex lives are none of his damn business and he violates their religious freedom by forcing his beliefs on them that way.
The Evangelicals have done nothing but hurt Christianity as a whole by being such busybody self-righteous control freaks and so hateful to those who they think are wrong. All its done is chase people away from Christ instead of leading anyone to Him, and many of these "Christians" don't seem to care so long as they got their Pharisee grandstanding in there.
I'm sorry for leaving such a HUGE comment. The damage Evangelicals have done in this country is one of my passionate hot button sociopolitical issues because of how many people they've hurt. :\
Let me preface the rest of this by saying I'm a Progressive Christian, I've been a Christian for almost 25 years, my family is Christian, I attended Christian schools for pre-K through 12th with daily Bible study and weekly chapel services, etc. My uncle is even a Gideon.
This stamp's statement is the exact reason why all the Evangelicals need to stop trying to make the US a theocracy by wanting our laws to be defined by Christian standards (the definition of marriage, wanting Creationism to be taught in public school science classes, business owners like Hobby Lobby's CEO refusing to cover contraceptives under the company's health insurance, etc.). The only reason they're okay with that is because it's their religion that's behind it.
If another religion suddenly became the vastly dominant one in this country, these same Christians would have a screaming mimi about how church and state are supposed to be separate.
As for these asinine "religious liberty" laws, let them be struck down. The one in Indiana WAS penned with the intention of allowing business owners to refuse the LGBT community but officially they framed it much more vaguely to try and gloss over that fact. Being denied service because of sexuality is no different than being denied service because of race, gender, or religious belief, and it's ignorant and wrong in all cases.
Discrimination is unconstitutional no matter who it's toward or why. If nixing that law also makes people unable to refuse service to Christians as well, that's a good thing (even some of the Christians I've encountered here on dA who are some of the most hateful, horrible human beings I've ever had the displeasure of talking to
)! Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Satanist, straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, poly, asexual, black, white, brown, male, female, young, old, disabled, whatever. And yes, even racists, sexists, misogynists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, and bigots of all kinds. They shouldn't be denied service, either, no matter how big of an asshole they may be.As for the wedding cake thing, just making a cake for a gay couple isn't condoning anything any more than me doing a wedding portrait illustration of a gay couple or designing their invitations would be condoning it (I'm not opposed to it anyway because the only sins I worry about are my own when the other people are both consenting and not harming themselves or anyone else). The bakery's name wouldn't be on the cake anyway. As for the couple, I wouldn't have pursued it after being turned away because frankly I wouldn't want somebody like that to make my cake! I'd rather give my money to a business that doesn't discriminate based on their religious beliefs.
And don't even get me started on Hobby Lobby and the contraceptives. The guy is an idiot for objecting because he "believed" birth control pills were abortive even though medical science couldn't be more clear on how they work and what they do. His employees' general health and sex lives are none of his damn business and he violates their religious freedom by forcing his beliefs on them that way.
The Evangelicals have done nothing but hurt Christianity as a whole by being such busybody self-righteous control freaks and so hateful to those who they think are wrong. All its done is chase people away from Christ instead of leading anyone to Him, and many of these "Christians" don't seem to care so long as they got their Pharisee grandstanding in there.
I'm sorry for leaving such a HUGE comment. The damage Evangelicals have done in this country is one of my passionate hot button sociopolitical issues because of how many people they've hurt. :\